The biggest value of k

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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by abir91 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:06 pm

We want to show that N is divisible by 3 but not by 9.

So we find the remainder of N divided by 3 and 9 respectively. Adding the digits is one way of doing this. But we can make the thing much easier by grouping every 2 digits together and then adding them.

192021...92 mod 3 = 92 + (91)100 + (90)10000 + ... + 19$(10^{2k})$ mod 3 = 19 + 20 + ... + 92 mod 3 for some k.

The explanation is similar for 9. I think you made some error calculating the sum of the digits as the above method gives us N mod 9 $\neq = 0$ but the remainder should be the same regardless of the method used.
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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by rakeen » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:55 pm

abir91 wrote:
192021...92 mod 3 = 92 + (91)100 + (90)10000 + ... + 19$(10^{2k})$ mod 3 = 19 + 20 + ... + 92 mod 3 for some k.

The explanation is similar for 9. I think you made some error calculating the sum of the digits as the above method gives us N mod 9 $\neq = 0$ but the remainder should be the same regardless of the method used.
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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by Mohaimin » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:00 pm

rakeen wrote:hey, you didn't tell me why are we using 19+20+21+22+....
Find yourself, its not very difficult to prove.
rakeen wrote:if we add all the digits the result is divisible by 9 also.
it is not supposed to be, I think you made mistake in calculation.

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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by AntiviruShahriar » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:32 pm

rakeen wrote:hey, you didn't tell me why are we using 19+20+21+22+....
if we add all the digits the result is divisible by 9 also.
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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by Avik Roy » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:48 pm

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Re: The biggest value of k

Unread post by rakeen » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:32 am

@Avik bhaiya thnx for sifting
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