BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
বৃষ্টি একটা বিশেষ সেট \(A\) বানাতে চায়। সে \(A=\{0, 42\}\) দিয়ে শুরু করে। যেকোনো ধাপে সে একটা পূর্ণসংখ্যা \(x\)-কে \(A\)-তে ঢুকাতে পারবে যদি \(x\), \(A\)-তে ইতোমধ্যে থাকা সংখ্যাগুলোকে সহগ হিসেবে ব্যবহার করে বানানো কোনো বহুপদীর মূল হয়। এভাবে সে \(A\)-এ নতুন নতুন পূর্ণসংখ্যা ঢুকাতেই থাকে। যখন সে \(A\)-এ আর ঢুকানোর মতো নতুন সংখ্যা খুঁজে পাবে না, তখন \(A\)-তে কয়টা সংখ্যা থাকবে?
Bristy wants to build a special set \(A\). She starts with \(A=\{0, 42\}\). At any step, she can add an integer \(x\) to the set \(A\) if it is a root of a polynomial that uses the already existing integers in \(A\) as coefficients. She keeps doing this, adding more and more numbers to \(A\). After she eventually runs out of numbers to add to \(A\), how many numbers will be in \(A\)?
Bristy wants to build a special set \(A\). She starts with \(A=\{0, 42\}\). At any step, she can add an integer \(x\) to the set \(A\) if it is a root of a polynomial that uses the already existing integers in \(A\) as coefficients. She keeps doing this, adding more and more numbers to \(A\). After she eventually runs out of numbers to add to \(A\), how many numbers will be in \(A\)?
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
Picking this up, as nationals are near, if there is any right time to post a solution to this problem, it must be now!
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10laim
যেকোনো ধাপে সে একটা পূর্ণসংখ্যা x-কে A-তে ঢুকাতে পারবে যদি x, A-তে ইতোমধ্যে থাকা সংখ্যাগুলোকে সহগ হিসেবে ব্যবহার করে বানানো কোনো বহুপদীর মূল হয়।
Can you give more explaination to this line?
Can you give more explaination to this line?
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10laim
There are some integers in A. If you make a polynomial with coefficients are integers from A, and one of the roots of the polynomial is an integer $k \notin A$. Then you can add k in A.
For example,
$42x+42$is a polynomial with coefficients from A and root $-1$, but $-1$ is not in A, so we can add him in A. This process continues now $A=\{-1,0,42\}$. And other polynomials can also have degree more than 1.
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
Does $\pm14$ and $\pm21$ belongs to $A$? That's where I am stuck!
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
I think we can only get the factors of $42$.Anindya Biswas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:13 pmDoes $\pm14$ and $\pm21$ belongs to $A$? That's where I am stuck!
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
Yeah we can only get the factors of $42$ but I have no idea about this two factors, others somehow got into $A$.Mehrab4226 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:00 pmI think we can only get the factors of $42$.Anindya Biswas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:13 pmDoes $\pm14$ and $\pm21$ belongs to $A$? That's where I am stuck!
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
Sorry, but I could not resist posting the solution!
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Re: BdMO National Higher Secondary 2020 P10
Thank you, I was looking for a solution for a long time.


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-Henri Poincaré
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