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determine all real valued function f define on non negative integers satisfying
\[ f(x+y)+f(x-y)=f(3x) \]
a question i like to be answered.
determine all functions define on R+ to R satisfying the condition
\[f(x+y)=f(x^2+y^2)\]
working a few time you may rather find the relations
$f(x)=f(x^2)$
$f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)=f(x^2+y^2)=f(x^2)+f(y^2)$
and also $f(nx)=nf(x)$
seeing these relations what can i claim about its charactaristics? in other words i d like to be given the answers with full description please cuz i m novice
\[ f(x+y)+f(x-y)=f(3x) \]
a question i like to be answered.
determine all functions define on R+ to R satisfying the condition
\[f(x+y)=f(x^2+y^2)\]
working a few time you may rather find the relations
$f(x)=f(x^2)$
$f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)=f(x^2+y^2)=f(x^2)+f(y^2)$
and also $f(nx)=nf(x)$
seeing these relations what can i claim about its charactaristics? in other words i d like to be given the answers with full description please cuz i m novice
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Re: functional equation australia
Solution for both of the functions should be $f(x)=0$
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Re: functional equation australia
For $f(x+y) = f(x^2) + f(y^2)$:
Note that, for any $b, a\in \mathbb{R}$ and $ |b| \geq |a|$, we can find $r \in \mathbb{R}$ such that,
$b^2 = r^2 + (a-r)^2$ or $r^2 - a r - \frac{b^2 - a^2}{2}=0$ because, $a^2 + 2(b^2 - a^2) \geq 0$
So, $f(b)=f(b^2)=f(r^2 +(a-r)^2)=f([r] + [a-r])=f(a)$, so, f is a constant function.
Note that, for any $b, a\in \mathbb{R}$ and $ |b| \geq |a|$, we can find $r \in \mathbb{R}$ such that,
$b^2 = r^2 + (a-r)^2$ or $r^2 - a r - \frac{b^2 - a^2}{2}=0$ because, $a^2 + 2(b^2 - a^2) \geq 0$
So, $f(b)=f(b^2)=f(r^2 +(a-r)^2)=f([r] + [a-r])=f(a)$, so, f is a constant function.
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Re: functional equation australia
I find a nice solution to 1st F.E. It is easy to show that $f(0)=0, 2f(x)=f(2x)=f(3x)$. Now plug in $x=3x$ and $y=x$ and find out that $6f(x)=4f(x)$ So$f(x)=0$
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Re: functional equation australia
$f(3x)=f(2x)$ turns it into the classic Cauchy equation, whose solution is $f(x)=xf(1)$. Setting this in the given equation, we get $f(1)=0$ and so $f(x)=0$ for all $x$.
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This isn't true in general.*Mahi* wrote:...the classic Cauchy equation, whose solution is $f(x)=xf(1)$.
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Hmm I know I was just too lazy to write that it's for the functions $f:\mathbb{Q} \to \mathbb{Q}$nayel wrote:This isn't true in general.*Mahi* wrote:...the classic Cauchy equation, whose solution is $f(x)=xf(1)$.
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But still you can't use it in your solution, because the function in the question is defined on the non-negative integers. So replacing $x-y$ and $x+y$ with, say, $u$ and $v$ our functional equation becomes $f(u)+f(v)=f(u+v)$, only for non-negative integers $u,v$ with the same parity. Your solution would work if this was true for all non-negative integers $u,v$, but you would probably have to derive it.
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Hmmm...in my solution I used induction and then thought Cauchy equation is worth giving a try but now it seems it blows everything up...
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