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BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:44 pm
by Asif Hossain
Let $S= {1,2,...,15}$. How many sets $x \subseteq S$ are there such that if $x \in X$ and $3x \in S$ then $3x \in X$

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:48 pm
by Asif Hossain
We first establish a bijection.
Notice there are $5$ multiples of $3$ in $S$ which we write in pairs like $(1,3),(2,6),(3,9),(4,12),(5,15)$
now notice the desired sets are just subsets of this multiset except $\phi$ so the desired number is $2^5 -1=31$
Is it right?

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:42 pm
by Mehrab4226
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:48 pm
We first establish a bijection.
Notice there are $5$ multiples of $3$ in $S$ which we write in pairs like $(1,3),(2,6),(3,9),(4,12),(5,15)$
now notice the desired sets are just subsets of this multiset except $\phi$ so the desired number is $2^5 -1=31$
Is it right?
Let me take one of your subsets,
$X=\{(1,3),(2,6),(4,12),(5,15)\}$
$3\in X$
But $3\times 3 = 9 \notin X$

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:49 pm
by Mehrab4226
My solution is like this,
Let us find all the sets that cannot be X. And let the sets of that class be called Y.
There are 5 cases,

Case:1
If $1 \in Y$ then
$Y=\{1\} \cup\{ \text{Any subset of} \{2,4,5,6,\cdots , 15\}\}$

Case:2
If $2 \in Y$ then
$Y= \{2\} \cup \{ \text{Any subset of}\{3,4,5,7,\cdots 15\}\}$

Case:3
If$3 \in Y$then,
$Y=\{3\} \cup \{\text{Any subset of} \{4,5,6,7,8,10,\cdots 15\}\}$

Case:4
If $4 \in Y$ then,
$Y=\{4\} \cup \{\text{any subset of} \{ 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14,15\}\}$

Case:5
If $5 \in Y$then,
$Y=\{5\}\cup \{\text{Any subset of}\{6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15\}\}$

The other numbers are not of our concern. As $3x \notin S$ for the other numbers. And yes I did not add the empty set as a Y because the empty set satisfies all the criteria of X.

So the total number of Y is $=2^{13}+2^{12}+2^{11}+2^{10}+2^{9}$
So the number of X possible $=2^{15}-(2^{13}+2^{12}+2^{11}+2^{10}+2^{9}
)$
$=16896$

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:21 pm
by Asif Hossain
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:42 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:48 pm
We first establish a bijection.
Notice there are $5$ multiples of $3$ in $S$ which we write in pairs like $(1,3),(2,6),(3,9),(4,12),(5,15)$
now notice the desired sets are just subsets of this multiset except $\phi$ so the desired number is $2^5 -1=31$
Is it right?
Let me take one of your subsets,
$X=\{(1,3),(2,6),(4,12),(5,15)\}$
$3\in X$
But $3\times 3 = 9 \notin X$
Does the question say that for "every" $x \in X$ the property holds? :( (sorry i didn't notice that i missed some countings..)

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:32 pm
by Mehrab4226
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:21 pm
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:42 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:48 pm
We first establish a bijection.
Notice there are $5$ multiples of $3$ in $S$ which we write in pairs like $(1,3),(2,6),(3,9),(4,12),(5,15)$
now notice the desired sets are just subsets of this multiset except $\phi$ so the desired number is $2^5 -1=31$
Is it right?
Let me take one of your subsets,
$X=\{(1,3),(2,6),(4,12),(5,15)\}$
$3\in X$
But $3\times 3 = 9 \notin X$
Does the question say that for "every" $x \in X$ the property holds? :(
Yes. The question said if $x$ is in $X$, then $3x$ is also in $X$. That is enough to let us know that $x$ can be any number in $X$

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:36 pm
by Asif Hossain
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:32 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:21 pm
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:42 pm

Let me take one of your subsets,
$X=\{(1,3),(2,6),(4,12),(5,15)\}$
$3\in X$
But $3\times 3 = 9 \notin X$
Does the question say that for "every" $x \in X$ the property holds? :(
Yes. The question said if $x$ is in $X$, then $3x$ is also in $X$. That is enough to let us know that $x$ can be any number in $X$
Didn't it said if "$x \in X$ and $3x \in S$" then $3x \in X$ :oops: :oops:

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:45 pm
by Mehrab4226
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:36 pm
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:32 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:21 pm


Does the question say that for "every" $x \in X$ the property holds? :(
Yes. The question said if $x$ is in $X$, then $3x$ is also in $X$. That is enough to let us know that $x$ can be any number in $X$
Didn't it said if "$x \in X$ and $3x \in S$" then $3x \in X$ :oops: :oops:
Yes, it said if $x$ is in $X$ and $3x$ in $S$. Then $3x$ must be in $X$. It implies that we cannot find any $x$ inside $X$ whose $3x$ if in $S$ not in $X$.

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:47 pm
by Asif Hossain
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:45 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:36 pm
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:32 pm

Yes. The question said if $x$ is in $X$, then $3x$ is also in $X$. That is enough to let us know that $x$ can be any number in $X$
Didn't it said if "$x \in X$ and $3x \in S$" then $3x \in X$ :oops: :oops:
You maybe right. But in let's say set builders method we write a set,
$K=\{x:x\in \mathbb{N}\}$
Then $K=\{1,2,3,4,\cdots\}
You know what, I don't know which one is right.
well even if my assumption is right is the ans $31$ right..

Re: BDMO higher secondary P6

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:55 pm
by Mehrab4226
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:47 pm
Mehrab4226 wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:45 pm
Asif Hossain wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:36 pm


Didn't it said if "$x \in X$ and $3x \in S$" then $3x \in X$ :oops: :oops:
You maybe right. But in let's say set builders method we write a set,
$K=\{x:x\in \mathbb{N}\}$
Then $K=\{1,2,3,4,\cdots\}
You know what, I don't know which one is right.
well even if my assumption is right is the ans $31$ right..
Depends on your assumption,
If you assume that if any single element of a subset of $S$ follows that criteria,then that subset is a valid $X$, then your answer is probably not correct.
If you assumed that $X$ can only contain the numbers which have $3x \in S$. Then you are maybe correct.