IMO Marathon
- Phlembac Adib Hasan
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Rules:
1. You can post any 'math-problem' from anywhere if you are sure it has a solution. Also you should give the source.(Like book name, link or self-made)
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4. Don't forget to type the problem number.
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Re: IMO Marathon
Problem 1:
Circles $\omega _1$ with center $O$, $\omega _2$ with center $O'$, intersect at points $P,Q$. line $\ell$ passes through $P$ and intersects $\omega _1$, $\omega _2$ at $K,L$ ,respectively. points $A,B$ are on arcs $KQ,LQ$ (arcs do not contain $P$ ) respectively. $\angle KPA=\angle LPB,\angle KAP=90-\angle LBP$. Prove that $OO'$ is parallel to $KL$.
source: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Foru ... 6&t=506365
Circles $\omega _1$ with center $O$, $\omega _2$ with center $O'$, intersect at points $P,Q$. line $\ell$ passes through $P$ and intersects $\omega _1$, $\omega _2$ at $K,L$ ,respectively. points $A,B$ are on arcs $KQ,LQ$ (arcs do not contain $P$ ) respectively. $\angle KPA=\angle LPB,\angle KAP=90-\angle LBP$. Prove that $OO'$ is parallel to $KL$.
source: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Foru ... 6&t=506365
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- Nadim Ul Abrar
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Re: IMO Marathon
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Re: IMO Marathon
Well,I am confused about your last conclusion, Nadim vai. I have the following proof in favor of the statement.And I think there is an error in your proof.
Adib,please confirm which one of us is correct.
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Re: IMO Marathon
Sorry I couldn't check the proofs of Sanzeed and Nadim vai since I'm a little busy with my texts.
I found another constructive disproof.
Choose any point $K$ on $\omega_1$ such that $KQ$ is not perpendicular to $PQ$.[We still haven't defined $\omega_2$].
Now draw $KQ \bot QL$ suth that $L \in KP$. Draw the circumcircle of $\triangle PQL$. Let this be $\omega_2$.
Now take any point $A$ on arc $KQ$. Take point $B$ on arc $QL$ such that $\angle KPA=\angle LPB$.
Notice that the construction satisfies all the properties of the problem yet doesn't satisfies the requirement.
Note: This is a confusing problem. So I'm posting another problem.
Problem 2: Determine all functions $f:\mathbb{N}\to\mathbb{N}$ such that for every pair $(m,n)\in\mathbb{N}^2$ we have that:
\[f(m)+f(n)|m+n\]
Source: Iran NMO-2004-P4.
I found another constructive disproof.
Choose any point $K$ on $\omega_1$ such that $KQ$ is not perpendicular to $PQ$.[We still haven't defined $\omega_2$].
Now draw $KQ \bot QL$ suth that $L \in KP$. Draw the circumcircle of $\triangle PQL$. Let this be $\omega_2$.
Now take any point $A$ on arc $KQ$. Take point $B$ on arc $QL$ such that $\angle KPA=\angle LPB$.
Notice that the construction satisfies all the properties of the problem yet doesn't satisfies the requirement.
Note: This is a confusing problem. So I'm posting another problem.
Problem 2: Determine all functions $f:\mathbb{N}\to\mathbb{N}$ such that for every pair $(m,n)\in\mathbb{N}^2$ we have that:
\[f(m)+f(n)|m+n\]
Source: Iran NMO-2004-P4.
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- Nadim Ul Abrar
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Re: IMO Marathon
What if Q' lie on LQ ?SANZEED wrote: $LQ\parallel LQ'$, which is impossible.
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Re: IMO Marathon
For Problem 2
Let us denote the statement with $P(m,n)$. Now,
$P(1,1)\Rightarrow 2f(1)|2\Rightarrow f(1)=1$ since $f(m)\in \mathbb N$
Let $p$ be a prime.
$P(p-1,1)\Rightarrow f(p-1)+f(1)|p-1+1=p$. Since $f(p-1)1>1$ we must have $f(p-1)=p-1$.
Now, $f(p-1)+f(n)|p-1+n\Rightarrow (p-1+f(n))|(p-1+f(n))+(n-f(n))$.
So, $(p-1+f(n))|(n-f(n))$.
If we fix $n$ now then we can take arbitrarily large value of $p$, such that $p-1+f(n)>n-f(n)$. Still $(p-1+f(n))$ will divide $(n-f(n))$
so we must have $n-f(n)=0$ i.e. $f(n)=n\forall n\in \mathbb N$ which is indeed a solution.
Let us denote the statement with $P(m,n)$. Now,
$P(1,1)\Rightarrow 2f(1)|2\Rightarrow f(1)=1$ since $f(m)\in \mathbb N$
Let $p$ be a prime.
$P(p-1,1)\Rightarrow f(p-1)+f(1)|p-1+1=p$. Since $f(p-1)1>1$ we must have $f(p-1)=p-1$.
Now, $f(p-1)+f(n)|p-1+n\Rightarrow (p-1+f(n))|(p-1+f(n))+(n-f(n))$.
So, $(p-1+f(n))|(n-f(n))$.
If we fix $n$ now then we can take arbitrarily large value of $p$, such that $p-1+f(n)>n-f(n)$. Still $(p-1+f(n))$ will divide $(n-f(n))$
so we must have $n-f(n)=0$ i.e. $f(n)=n\forall n\in \mathbb N$ which is indeed a solution.
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Re: IMO Marathon
Then connect $C$ and the midpoint of $KQ$ say $N$. Then $CN\parallel LQ$ and again $CO\parallel LQ$ which will bring the necessary contradiction,I think.Nadim Ul Abrar wrote:What if Q' lie on LQ ?SANZEED wrote: $LQ\parallel LQ'$, which is impossible.
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Re: IMO Marathon
For problem 1; Note that condition 2 implies those two circles are orthogonal. And 1st condition can be found for any $l$ for such two circles. So problem is certainly not true.
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